Minutes of JJCR meeting, 26-11-2006, 20:00

Related files

1. Agenda
2. MfS: Photocopier
3. MfS: Netball Squad Equipment
4. Motion to investigate the question of a Sabbatical Presidency

Contents

1. Reports
2. JJCR Motions
3. JJCR Elections
4. JJCR AOB
5. JHJCR Motions
6. JHJCR Elections
7. JHJCR AOB

Preamble

Opening Prayer

Read by Esther James.

Apologies

• Christine Gaston
• Tom Bristow
• MCR Exec (excl. Ed McCarter)

Minutes and matters arising

The minutes were approved on a general aye; there were no matters arising.

Reports

Reports of Executive Officers

Josh Heald, JCR President

Hi everyone; thanks for coming; it's the last meeting of the term so it's your last JCR fix until January. I've chaired a big meeting between Presidents, Principals, and University Officers. We got a lot of agreement and we got a chance to show the united side that we all want what's best for colleges. It was a productive meeting where we got our views across. I've been dealing with the issue of Residence Charge Committee in which it was a case of deciding what we would ask the committee for. I went to the Cathedral Founders and Benefactors service today. I've done lots of research into having a Sabbatical President and done little bits and bobs.

Katie Wray, VP:Estates

This is my report. We've had House Sports which were quite a success. I've set up a new lost property system. I've been to Library Committee, there's been a garden work party, and the prints in Haughton are to be replaced. I've started to organise the Room Ballot.

Ed McCarter: Is there a chance we could consider the MCR as a house for house sports?
Katie: If you want to, yes.

Becca Davies: Is the room ballot going online?
Katie Wray: I'll take the names and I'll put the list on the internet.

Jeanna Shalkowski, VP:Welfare

Since my report I've had a SENDA committee meeting for disability needs in college, in particular mobility needs in college. We've been seeing if there are special needs for the fire alarm. We were thinking of creating a corridor with provisions for disabled students. Had Welfare Committee with everyone involved in welfare in college, discussing welfare provision for those who live out. Hopefully we will get emergency contact cards. Hopefully we will increase the frequency of livers-out and LGBT officer reports in This Week.
There have been more attacks on people around Durham so be careful.

Felix Schubert, Treasurer

This week I have done all sorts of average Treasurer's jobs including ordering a safe for the shop. I ordered a printer for the JCR flat and some envelopes. I went to the bank with the Bailey Ball cheques. I've had various meetings with the Bursar and the JWS Treasurer.

Richard Kelly, Senior DSU Rep

I've been to DSU Exec. For final year students, the national student survey is online, and it helps students in years to come. Encourage your friends to fill that out. The DO NOTHING campaign continues. I've been on about it, but do vote for the NUS Conference Delegates. John's traditionally has the top voting turnout from any college. If anyone's interested in PR and publicity, the DSU Comms. Officer is trying to get a working group together. I attended a meeting about Residence Charges.

Martin Hodgetts, Services Manager

Hi. First thing I want to do is give a couple of apologies; I was at home this weekend and next weekend. If I'm not around and you can't get hold of me I will still have a mobile on me. Otherwise there are general day-to-day things, keeping loose ends up to date. I know the laundries haven't been working well. I haven't cashed your stash cheques, they'll probably be cashed about this week.

Tim Marshall, Communications Officer

Any Questions?
Phil Wallbridge:
Are the posters advertising the meeting yours?

Alice Manuel, Social Secretary

We had an SEC social; it was very fun. There was a bop on Friday which was quite fun. Next time it will be better advertised. Otherwise not much going on. The next thing is the Christmas Feast.

Dan Baxter, Senior Bar Officer

Hi everybody; my main report was in This Week. Bar quiz was good, off licence was good. Excitingly we've started work on the Exec Panto...
Martin forgot to say... He is going to be selling leftover Freshers' T-shirts and stash from the shop starting tonight. I have some bottles over here, so come and buy some drinks!

Ian Kent, Cranmer President

Erm, since the last meeting we've elected our first year rep. I had a chat with Josh about the sabbatical president and thinking about that.

Ed McCarter, MCR President

Right. Good evening. I have been continuing the process of consolidation and getting the structures in place for the MCR, manifesting itself in the form of meetings. There will be minutes and things. We are in the process of sorting out MCR stash as it'll have round shields. The meeting on Tuesday: there wasn't a strong opinion. Broadly speaking we're prepared to accept a sabbatical president but we're not willing to pay for any salary of the future president. The new emphasis on involving postgrads in college is beneficial to college. We don't want to have to pay higher membership fees than we do now.

Exec business: Nestle Boycott discussion.

Felix Schubert: I want to say a couple of things on why there's a ban in the first place. David is going to share some of his research with me.
I personally stand on neutral ground; I do like kitkats. A couple of factors why big organisations like UNICEF have promoted boycotts on Nestle. One thing is child labour, but the main one is their strategy for promoting baby formula milk. This is mainly a problem in the Third World where there are very low health standards. Basically what they're doing is they're promoting their products to hospitals, carers, mothers, and using methods which are not really ethically comprehendable. They give free supplies to hospitals, give free gifts to mothers and health workers, and promote that their supplementary products should be used rather than breastfeeding. They utilise the fear of AIDS transmission in their marketing. The dangers are that mothers will start using these substitutes and make them dependent on using them. There are other issues which aren't addressed in this in that the water might be contaminated in the first place. Weighing up the odds about the risks between AIDS and not having enough milk for the child and starving them to death. The latter is significantly higher in some parts of the world. Since 1977 there has been a ban because Nestle is violating all these points. In 1987 the ban was lifted for a short period of time as Nestle signed a paper agreeing not to do this any more. In 1988 the ban was put back in place as they were doing it again. The ban has been held by UNICEF.

There's a four point plan for when to lift it:
1. if Nestle signs a contract saying they're not going to do this.
2. Nestle needs to have independent people testing that they're keeping the contract.

Currently Nestle is not complying with any of the four points.
Bottom line is that Nestle is promoting its product in an unethical manner and as such the JCR has decided since 1978 to ban Nestle from college.

David Clough:
Hi. I teach ethics in Cranmer Hall. My involvement in this issue comes from a committee I sit on with the Methodist Church. Before this I had no specialist knowledge about it. Three years ago the Central Finance Board of the Methodist Church came to us and asked if there was an ethical problem with us investing in it. I'd seen reports over time, but we decided to look into it seriously, and got in touch with Nestle and Baby Milk Action. Nestle are dubious about involvement with media and were quite nervous about getting involved in the discussion. We got both parties to participate in a day. They wouldn't be in the same room at the same time (!) but we took evidence from both of them and had a specialist from a nutritionist/advisor. We listened very hard, and heard from Baby Milk Action about the horrible things Nestle was doing. We had lots of input from Nestle about how in the 1970s there had indeed been inappropriate marketing, but now they were now signed up to the WHO code. We as a committee had to decide what to make of these clashing claims. There's one point that Nestle disagrees with in interpreting the WHO code. The point was whether the WHO code should apply in developed countries, which is the biggest point of dispute; 95% of the abuses that BMA pointed out were in developed countries like Germany and the UK. Almost everyone who sells infant food sells things for 4-6 months. Nestle said that these countries had their own laws about how to promote things. If Nestle followed the code, they would be at a competitive disadvantage. We were clear as a committee that we were not concerned that much about developed countries. These countries have their own laws about how to promote things. The breaches we were interested in were those in developing countries. We pushed Nestle on it, and some of the incidents they said were a concern to them and wanted to take up. The impression we got as a committee was of a company that is the most boycotted of any brand, but we couldn't see what the good reason for that was. We saw a company that recognised it had signed up to the code and was doing its best to see that its staff were abiding by it. We couldn't see a reason to advise the Central Finance Board not to invest. My judgement overall is, as someone who teaches ethics, is that I don't think boycotting Nestle is the key issue. If you want an ethical consumption policy, buy Fairtrade, buy local, buy organic, buy free range wherever possible. I don't see the Nestle thing as the key issue; I think it was when the JCR signed up for it, but I don't see it as where the ethical consumption stuff is at at the moment.

Sophie Godfree: Any questions.

Rob Seddon: What was the 5% of cases in numbers.

David Clough: That was about 10-15; Nestle said on about half that the facts were not true, and with the others, they took action. On a few of these Baby Milk Action could not give enough evidence.

Rob Seddon:. What you said about laws... Could you elaborate about the distinction between developed and developing world?

David Clough. First World countries have laws which can protect people. Also, using formula is very risky when there aren't good quality water supplies available; in developed countries water is ok. It's less likely to be infected in developed countries.

Felix Schubert. The issue is also that if you can't afford it, you water it down but the children starve, hence the companies have scared people into it... if there's bad water or you can't afford it you expose your child to bigger risks.

Ed McCarter: What we're talking about here is whether the Nestle issue is dead or not, yes? Is this just an issue about baby milk.

Felix Schubert: There are a lot of organisations doing bad things, but Nestle is a special case; they're going against a lot of regulations. The WHO says that 1.5m children are dying as a result of incorrect use of formula milk products.

David Clough. Nestle have done silly things, but it's hard on any other issue to see them as worse than others.

Ed McCarter: How many of these 1.5 million deaths are traced by Nestle?

David Clough. Of all the companies producing formula, I'd say Nestle was the most compliant because it's had to sharpen up its game. Infant formula makes up about 2% of Nestle's turnover.

Sophie Godfree: We're bringing this policy for renewal. Does anyone want to formally oppose it?

Ian Kent said last time Nestle had shares in the company which produces products for the JWS. We ought to think about other companies we get things from, such as Coca-Cola.

Christine Leahy:
Nestle don't own shares in the Day Chocolate Company.

Martin Hodgetts: Can I say about a boycott policy, that this policy was made in 1978-79... the issue is that the boycott may not be effective. The point is to affect the company's money. If this policy has been in place since 1978-9 then there's no effect. This is a passive way of doing things so much so that it seems not the solution. It would be much better, if we wanted to continue the boycott, that we should have something else to go with it, such as a letter to Nestle, so that might prove more effective and far more active than passive.

Felix Schubert: I think a boycott is not going to affect Nestle. The point is that it's all about the chain reaction; because we would boycott, people from John's might pass it on. The idea would spread. John's JCR itself has not a great effect on Nestle's income but the idea behind it is what makes the difference.

Martin Hodgetts: This is only open for ratification every three years; people don't know that it's going on; some sort of publicity would be more effective than a passive policy.

Ed McCarter: I think Martin's right. What is this policy for? This policy won't help as Nestle aren't the main offenders. If we're having an ethical policy, this is too narrow and has become a habit.

Sarah Mullins. You're talking about the breastmilk problem being an old one; I think that you mentioned that as a small thing. They tried to sue Ethiopia while there was a famine.

Christine Leahy. To add to what Ed's saying; we need to think about what we're doing if we stop the boycott.

Sophie Godfree: You can amend this, or indeed call for a new policy.

Ben Jarvis. If we did stop the boycott, other places would want to know why, and we could explain this.

Martin Hodgetts: Can I propose an amendment to this motion that we should mandate the JCR and potentially the Services Manager and the JWS manager to look into ethical companies once every two years in order to ensure that we are buying more ethically. If we amend it to become an Ethical Policy which we will then ratify at the next meeting.

Sophie Godfree: Shall we say that you have to vote this down to do that?

VOTE

For keeping the policy:
3
Against keeping the policy
28
Abstentions
8

Reports of non-executive Officers

Campbell Grant, College Bursar

The SMG laundry, which I understand was in a good state on Thursday, had a powder fire extinguisher let off. It renders the laundry unusable, made it need to be cleaned, it's a criminal act, and it's a fire risk. It is really serious and when I sent an email around on Friday I asked Josh to let me come here and underline how unfunny it is. From my perspective I hope we can find the person responsible and get them to be appropriately dealt with by the Senior Tutor. I hope they will come forward. If they don't I would hope we could discipline them more severely.

Ed McCarter: Are we sure that this is an internal thing?
Campbell Grant: We can't tell; it is a number to get in but it hasn't been changed for a while. If we don't find anyone ever, maybe it wasn't.

Martin Hodgetts: Have the non-John's students been told?
Josh Heald: it's underway

Alice Manuel: Can I suggest the codes be changed for the laundry. The laundry has been the same for years.

MfS: Photocopier (Featured here for benefit of College Bursar)

Motion text

Campbell Grant: The photocopier which was at the far end of college was destroyed fairly comprehensively in the Easter Term, and the bill was fairly modest; if we knew who had damaged it then we would bill them and the matter would be settled; it wasn't possible to find who trashed it. I'm pleased that the motion suggested that it was likely to be a John's student. It could have been someone from outside. I think it is most likely it was an internal culprit. Thinking about who should pick up the tab for this bill, I think there are three factors which reduce the bill to the JCR. There's no direct evidence, I would accept that being in a corridor by a door does put it in a vulnerable position, and also the college had decided to reduce the insurance bill we had to pay (about £40000pa now) by increasing the excess on the policy, meaning we couldn't claim. That has now been changed, so that electronic equipment has a lower excess. Those factors push the bill towards the college. The reason that the JCR should vote to make a contribution towards the photocopier is about John's Spirit; I would hope we would negotiate with the student body in a grown up fashion, hence John's doesn't have a damage levy. In other colleges you have to put up some money for this levy. In John's we don't do that because the level of damage is small, and because if something like this happens, it is an unpleasant surprise; I want to commend the motion to you as it's in accord with that spirit. The students could say "we don't want anything to do with it", but meeting halfway seems to be a responsible and John's style way of doing things.

Motion accepted on a General Aye

Dave Williams, SMG Officer

Good evening; this has been my first term as the SMG officer; I've been up here since mid- to late- august overseeing the construction of the new common room we've got up there. That's gone really well; General Maggie's business:
The first thing is that not all the flats were filled up this year; a few rooms have been empty which has been a problem; I think it's to do with last year's freshers missing out on the gem that is Margaret's. I lived there for two years and I'm still here and sane. Currently a high-budget (Well) film is being made to be shown to the Freshers at the end of term.
Smoking; there have been people disposing of cigarette ends in not very nice areas; the Yellow Wellies nursery has had ends dropped in their area. We're trying to sort out a designated smoking area. Recycling; we're working with the environment team with green boxes collected bi-weekly. We're trying to get a better system in place. There's been the not-so-nice business of the laundry. Thanks to the people who helped, including the cleaners and some other residents.
The common room; got a pool table, a shop, toilets, soft seating. It's a really good room to be in the winter. We're trying to get that sorted out at the moment. There's a music room attached to it. We're trying to work on that over the holidays. Thursday BT are installing lines to get an ITbox and a Juke Box. Hopefully the Pool Table will be sorted soon, and maybe a darts board. There is some extra space there, which we want to sort out over the holidays. We need to sort out contracts; there are non-John's people there and we need to be able to hold people accountable. There should also be a party in the common room over the next few weeks.
That's all my jazz...

Ed McCarter: are you marketing this to the second years?
Dave Williams: I've done some flyers and the video. It's quite easy to send flyers out to more people.

Ed McCarter: If Margaret's isn't full then that's bad news for college.
Josh Heald: Can I make a point to people that they can make their way into the common room with your college ASSA. Do go up and use if if you ever need to.

Phil Wallbridge: Will non-John's people be able to use this?
Josh Heald: it's not a policy decision that they can't get in. Ideally we wanted a swipe card system to be put in; we then looked at putting it on a Margaret's ASSA. Annoyingly you can't get a general key for those ASSA keys. The only recourse we had was to put it on a college ASSA, but it's temporary.
Ed McCarter: Well isn't there a code?

Alison Way: The college is finding problems getting us ASSA keys.
Katie Wray: You can get them for reception.

John's Environment Team

Stuart Morris and Rosie Bishop presented:

Rosie: Me and Stuart are the environment reps for college, and Alison and Martin are our assistants. This is what we have been doing:
putting out more green boxes in college, updating our new environment board outside the Bailey Room.
Stuart Morris: There are signs,
Rosie: We've made a recycling video. We helped sort out recycling problems at Margaret's. We want bigger recycling bins. We've been involved in SLAG. It's coordinated by a climate change expert. We're trying to encourage recycling, energy conservation; there's a survey on DUO about it. There's the possibility of an eco-formal, and themes about fairtrade, ethical giving, and an environment themed cartoon competition.

Ed McCarter: I have never been bothered to wrap up presents.

James Evans, Senior DUCK Rep

Got a bit of DUCK news... the DUCK race has happened; it was a big event with lots of community involvement. This coming weekend we have planned DUCK Weekend; we are doing a weekend of events in college and at Margaret's. We would like to get a DUCK cocktail sorted. There will be a Christmas Shopping trip to York. Email me at j.i.j.evans. Saturday evening will be a Jazz evening with a couple of bands. We're having a big DUCK quiz in Margaret's common room on Sunday. We're going to have film nights in the Linton Room. Advertising will be coming out for these things. We want you to get involved in this.

Motions

Renewal of Communal Shirt Policy:

Sophie Godfree: We discussed this in Chair's Committee and we decided that the JCR Treasurer should not be involved in the issue of kit.
Phil Wallbridge: You've been a captain, do you think this works?
Sophie: It will.
Ed McCarter: If we keep this system going, will we eventually decide people have to buy their own kit?

Accepted on a General Aye.

MfS: Netball Squad Equipment

Motion text
Passed by Finance Committee

MfS: Gazebo Furniture

Passed by Finance Committee

Motion: Sabbatical Presidency Working Group

Motion text

Josh Heald: Before I say anything on this, we aren't deciding on it this evening; we're hoping to look further into the issue but at the moment I have 60-70hours of work and an overworked exec. It was last looked at about 7 years ago and the decision was made to get two VPs. The situation has changed dramatically in the last 7 years; this sets up a working group to look into the issue. There would then be a referendum
Could people give me any questions they might have?

The notion of a sabbatical president. In ten of the 16 colleges there is a president who has usually finished their degree who gets a free room and a wage, free to devote their entire life to the JCR.

Sophie Godfree: Guys, please put a gown on to speak..

Esther James: It's on the grapevine that the JCR fee will rise to £70-100; will this go onto the fees of those who are joining, or will it be that everyone has to pay more.
Josh Heald: Legally we wouldn't be able to charge everyone more.

Sarah Mullins: Are they all the largest colleges?
Josh Heald: No.

Ed McCarter: Do we think we'd have to pay about £100 each
Josh: Your maths would be wrong then.
Ed McCarter: Ah. So would this be incurred by the whole JJCR?
Josh Heald: That would be for the working group.

Esther James: You know that letter; you said the workload had gone up. How do you explain that?
Josh Heald: It's been a gradual increase since 2000; the reasons I put were that there were more students etc.

Becca Davies: Will the working group be given a time limit?
Josh Heald: The motion states a time limit. The JCR would have to decide to give them more time.

Dan Baxter: Can I propose an amendment in Notes: At least the last five JCR presidents have received a 2:1 or better.
Josh Heald: People had been on course for better degrees than they got. Roddy and Simon could have done better.

Sarah Mullins seconded the amendment to change part 3.

Ian Kent said that previous CCR presidents had said to him that their degrees went down by a class; Josh has more meetings.

Sarah Mullins: Surely people take this into account when they stand for the position.

Josh Heald: I accepted that, but it's a fact that the degrees do suffer.

Richard Kelly: The fact that the degree could take a class knock and this could restrict the candidates who could apply, especially science students.

Chris Leach: We shouldn't make it so people couldn't do it because they wanted to get a good degree...

Ed McCarter: I think that people clearly can do well in their degree.

Rich Gale: Nathaniel was an engineering student so it was possible to do both.

Amendment to take Notes 3 out.
For 8
Against 19
Abstention
Amendment fell

Amendment to move point 5 to Believes
Josh accepted this.

Dan Baxter proposed that point 4 should move to Believes.
Josh Heald: I'd argue that that's a fact. I think things come up as things that you can't categorise.
Josh accepted

Alison Way: Can you give us an idea of how your working week is spent?
Josh Heald: Yes; I logged my time for a two week period. OK. For one week I spent 15.5 hours on correspondence, 11.75 hours on college stuff, 18.25 on meetings in college, 19 in university meetings, 2 hours in welfare; that's 66 and a half hours

Ed McCarter: Can't you delegate this to your VPs?
Josh Heald: The VPs have enough meetings as it is and there's no way of reducing my meetings.

Martin Hodgetts: So how much was delegated to the VPs? Do you feel they fulfil the additional time with meetings more so than they would have previously?
Josh Heald: I haven't thought about it in that much detail. Things that go off to VP are the committees that the President used to go to.

Richard Kelly: I wanted to say that this was quite interesting, but this isn't about whether or not we want one, but whether or not we want to look into it. If you think it's even a question, vote on this, as we're not voting to create it now.

Becca Davies: But we are voting about what the working group can do. Would it be able to look into having other possibilities or rearranging Exec?
Josh Heald: The way I wanted to word it was to have a working group about bringing the presidency to a reasonable size.

Dan Baxter: I think this is very important, and I don't think it should be rushed. The idea with the deadline is good, but we really should take more time over this; I'm not happy with it being that soon.
Josh Heald: I couldn't find a way of writing the extra time into the motion. If that's what the working group want to do, the JCR should consider that request.

James Evans: When would the elections be held? Today?
Sophie: Yes.

Sarah Mullins: When it refers to input from all parts of the student body, would it relate to previous presidents and students?
Josh Heald: Yes.

Rosie Bishop: So we would have a student say?
Josh Heald; yes, the working group can't decide it.
Rosie Bishop: So the person would do it after their degree?
Josh Heald: It's not necessarily so, but it's usually what's done.

Dan Baxter: Has Trevs taken a few months to decide it or has there been a longer discussion?
Josh Heald: They only really started bringing it in two weeks ago. It's been on the cards for a few years.

Ed McCarter: I think we're in silly season now... Straight after the Christmas Holidays you want a considered opinion; I don't think people are ready to debate it; I don't think we can produce a reasoned report.
Josh Heald: The 17th January is there because the working group needs to come up with a decision, we then need to enact CRC. The 17th gives us time to convene CRC before the elections next term. We should at least give the option to offer it before the elections next term.

Martin Hodgetts: The wording is that it should be reached by the 17th January; it could be reached prior to that date; if there's a later deadline, you have more flexibility in that sense.

Ed McCarter: We should really change the date; if we reach the decision in a hurry...

Becca Davies: The recommendation could be that we need more time.

Dan Baxter: I'm proposing an amendment to change the date until 2nd Epiphany.
Seconded: Alison Way

Josh Heald: I'd like to oppose it because if the working group thinks it needs more time, it'll need most of the rest of the year; to put in the arbitrary date doesn't either get it in on time or give us enough time to discuss it.

Voting for Dan's amendment to change Resolves 2 to read 2nd Epiphany.

For
11
Against
28
Abstentions
3

Move to a vote on the motion

Formal Opposition to the motion
Phil Wallbridge: I don't want the motion to go on a General Aye

For
37
Against
2
Abstentions
2

Elections

Drum Kit Rep

No Candidates

Sponsorship Assistant

Candidates:

• Mischa Richards

Proposed: Christine Gaston
Seconded: Chris Schikaneder

Husting

I feel enthusiastic about John's and I'd like to put across that vibe.

Result

Candidate elected on a General Aye

Just World Coffee Shop organiser

Sarah Mullins: The JWCS can be what you want it to be. It's a coffee shop held in the Bar Overspill; we have a coffee machine and our stock comes from the JWS. It's as much of a commitment as you want to make it.

Richard Kelly: I think the JWCS is brilliant; get into it; help people out; it's a nice service. It can make a little money for the JCR

Candidates:

• Kathryn Sleight

Proposed: Enoch Cheng
Seconded: Ed McCarter

Husting

There was no call to hust.

Result

Candidate elected on a General Aye

Working Group Members; Sabbatical Presidency x4

Candidates:

• Becca Davies
• James Evans
• Rich Gale
• Phil Wallbridge
• Martin Hodgetts
• Becky Ryding

Husting

• Becca Davies

I have read the constitution in bits and bobs and was involved in setting up things in school.

• James Evans

I'm able to do this job and I'm quite involved in college; I'm happy and able.

• Rich Gale

I've got a great deal of love for this college and I want to make sure that the decisions are right.

• Phil Wallbridge

I want to use my many years of experience for this college. I saw this go wrong on my year abroad.

• Martin Hodgetts

I'm really committed to college and I want to have a member of Exec voting on the committee who isn't the current president.

• Becky Ryding

I'm a second year and I'm not representing the typical person who goes to a JCR meeting

Ian Kent: can we make this a manifesto position?
Sophie Godfree: In the rest of the group are Josh, Me, Felix, and Tim.

Stuart Morris: Can I say that if they've turned up to this then they're committed.

Result

Ballot papers to be handed out.

Josh Heald: Write the candidates in the order they are on the screen and then give your preference number.

AOB for JJCR
The ENVIRONMENT VIDEO was shown.

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